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Well, the last meeting was an open and formal meeting.

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And I think most of you are at the meeting.

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It was opened by Dave Webb, discussion of humanoid cases, that had pulled me up in the Jersey area.

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We passed on a copy of very well-known newspaper article, which he and I have been going to make copies of for us.

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Well, there was some discussion in the book by Harnick and Halley called The Edge of Reality, and several local cases and investigative problems had discussed.

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I really don't want to go through all this information because most of the people here know it.

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Well, you can chop it down.

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You got to keep it going.

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They did say that this meeting would be held here in National Inspection, and it was suggested that the following meeting be a presentation by Ray Fowle,

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and it was most up-to-date slideshow.

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Well, I approached him on this, and he didn't really say no.

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All right, that's the answer.

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That's the answer.

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That's the answer.

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All right.

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Is that his house?

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Is that his house?

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We wouldn't get him any place else, so...

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What about the two of you?

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We make a vote that it'll be at Ray's house.

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He'll provide the entertainment.

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He didn't really object.

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He didn't say, yes, his problem was when his schedule was free.

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We may free it for him.

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We may free it for him.

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He has a telescope.

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A telescope?

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But you automatically...

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I have to make sure that there's a scare night.

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Yeah.

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Well, what did you say?

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That's fine if you want to.

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Fine if that was worth it, anyway, the telescope.

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At the last meeting, we also suggested to Ray that he publish in Skyloft the Central Keys.

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I think it's wonderful.

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That's not a good answer.

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Come on in.

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Hi.

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Hi.

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Come on in.

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Here, I'm far as in the middle of a little party, Tim.

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Hi.

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How are you doing?

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Let me take the politics upstairs.

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Just a minute.

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I'll get a second.

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I'm Chip Hayward.

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This is Dave Downs.

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We'll have a little bit more introduction later on.

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This is Mr. and Mrs. Cheehan.

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Cheehan?

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Right.

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How are you, Dave?

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Fine.

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I'm good.

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Yeah, I'm good.

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Hi.

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Everybody, this is Johnson.

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Johnson, she brought a lot of fun.

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What's your business plan?

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I built one, son.

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Hello.

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Hi.

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This is David Webb.

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He's a net fireman.

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I'm a net fireman.

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I'm a net fireman.

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And this is everybody.

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I'll be right down.

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Okay, I guess we're ready to continue on.

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And if there's nothing more to do than with the minutes of the last meeting, I'll tell

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Joe, I've recovered everything in regards to that.

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Well, perhaps we might get into talking with Eddie tonight.

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Do you have anything planned as to what you'd like to start off with the slides and things?

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Well, first of all, I'd just like to draw up my experience with the slides.

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And then I'll show the slide.

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Okay, I think that would be...

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I'm going to open it up to places and answers and then I'll go to places fast.

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Well, just to give a brief introduction, as many of you know, Betty Hill was abducted

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on a UFO on September 19th, 1961.

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And I'll just let her take the story from here, but I don't want to tell her.

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I'm going to stand back for you.

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Thank you.

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I'm more of a habit of standing up.

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So I'm going to start it first of all and tell you about the experience that I had.

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We left Fort Smith when I was a nine-year-old to Toronto, Montreal, Canada.

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And now it's September 19th, 1951.

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And we left Montreal in the afternoon, crossed over to Water.

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And at ten o'clock that night, we stopped to hold with the handkerchief to get gas for

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a pound of hot snails.

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We left Colbert at ten and started down to the White Mountains of the handkerchief.

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It was Tuesday night.

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It was after ten, Friday during the night.

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There was no traffic on the highway.

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And while I was watching, it started to move.

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So we thought it was a satellite.

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Because satellites in 1951 were still somewhere in the Marble tape.

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And I looked at it as it was going across the facing moon.

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And right from the first moment I looked at it, I didn't know what it was, but I knew it was not a satellite.

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And I knew it was nothing that I had ever seen before.

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I returned to the car after giving the binoculars to Rowley.

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And he watched us.

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While he was watching it, it turned and started to come in contrast.

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Because at the time I couldn't describe it.

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Everything was jumping all over the sky.

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Now I know we're doing 90 degree angle turns and we're doing the step.

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Now I call this my step positive.

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I'm going around and dropping down this way, going this way, this way.

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And coming down lower.

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And then again the appearance of the spinning.

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And let it look like a steady light until it came to the top of the mountain.

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The contours of the mountain.

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But it was following along the tops of these.

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And I looked up at that to the binoculars.

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I could see a double row of windows and a red light on its side.

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Bonnie took the binoculars and he was going to get out and identify this.

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It was something conventional.

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We had Bonnie, as far as your photos were concerned, was very close minded.

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He was absolutely positive and he was sure about the shadow of it.

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There was no such thing.

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So he took the binoculars and he started walking towards this object.

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stay right there and just keep looking.

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Don't be afraid.

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No harm's going to come to you.

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Just keep looking.

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And as that happened, you could see the red light from each side part and came out at the end of thin light structures.

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And the crowd chilled it and started to come down towards him.

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Excuse me.

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At that point, Bonnie had the feeling he was going to be captured.

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We were going to be captured.

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In the kind of vibration.

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Now about 30 miles further south, I said to Bonnie, do you believe in flying saucers?

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And we heard the second thing he said, he said, the beach in the fans.

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And I turned around and looked out the window and I saw the town boundary markup to the town of Ashland, New Hampshire.

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The moving train was home.

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Which right from the beginning, I think, we thought that the trip was really taking us quite a long period of time.

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To actually go in over them, it was a distance of 190 miles.

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And we spent seven hours making the trip.

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After midnight, much of it turned quite driving and the flag bounding was a fast driver.

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So we had this puzzle race when we were going.

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Two shoes were stuffed in the tops.

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My dress was torn.

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Our watches had stopped functioning.

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And there were highly polished spots in the trunk of the car that reacted to a compass.

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But we really didn't know how to explain all this to my friends.

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And we both agreed that we were not going to have any publicity about this because, you know, in 1961, everyone saw UFOs as a little bit out of context with reality.

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So we were going to keep it to ourselves that we did.

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I was a little mad at you.

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I was asking them for information with the result that they said well to help.

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To talk with body members.

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And Walter made several trips.

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And whatever we put on this.

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And then two other scientists came to visit us.

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And it was, as a result of all this, they suggested that we recommend for good psychiatrists to use hypnosis.

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Well, we talked with one.

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Maybe if you remember what happened in the car.

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So we won't us to go about it until Bonnie developed an ulcer.

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Now an ulcer is not used for any medical treatment.

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So he sent Bonnie into a psychiatrist in the same building he was in.

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And Bonnie started going to Dr. Stevens.

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And then when that happened, we remembered this experience.

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Dr. Stevens didn't use hypnosis for a friend of his daddy.

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So he and his both body and me, the doctor, did it in time in Boston.

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Bonnie and I started going every Saturday morning for two hours.

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He found that we were both deep trans subjects.

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Our sessions were done separately.

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And he called us to have amnesia.

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So that we could not tell each other or discuss it anyway.

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Any of the things that we would actually relive during the sessions.

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And then the answer came to take back to us.

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And this really overdupped the amnesia.

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In which we learned, and in other words, we learned it.

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But we realized at the time we were hearing the case that this is what had happened to us.

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Now, to go back to the first meeting sound.

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I looked out the window, and I was consciously aware I looked out the window.

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But I looked up and I didn't see anything.

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Everything was dark.

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Well, under hypnosis, I looked out the window and I looked right up to the bottom of the craft,

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which was directly over the top.

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Now, we left the retreat, went to 175 out under the side road.

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And as we did, the cubanoids, aliens, the occupants, whatever you want to call them, were in the road, blocking our way.

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The Tom or the Dine, Roddy couldn't get it started.

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They separated and came up with two groups to the out of the cow.

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To a path in the woods on board the craft where they gave us physical examinations.

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Now, our examinations were both very much alike in that they examined our eyes, ears, nose, throat, skin,

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they did scabies on our skin, they had a hook on our hair, giving nails.

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Now, with mine, they did, they took my nervous system, is what they called it.

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And I tried to insert a needle-like instrument in my navel, which surprised everybody trying to pay.

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Now, with Barney, it is about the same thing only they were interested in the bone structure and the teeth.

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And they put a cub-like instrument on his abdomen, which developed into a perfect circle of warts.

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And during the hypnosis, before Barney learned why he had the warts, they became infected and had to be removed.

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With the exact assignment, they said, subconscious mind, learning how do you receive them and the subconscious mind getting rid of them.

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I didn't expect it.

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Now, during Barney's examination, I remained in, I was behind at the first round, Barney was in the second round.

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And there had been a lead-up there, or if you want to, follow me and turn it up, because I was able to talk with him no one else.

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The examiner had gone into the room of my eyes, during the sedentary check-up.

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The examiner came running back in, and he was all excited, started pouring out my teeth.

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And he was very puzzled, the leader said, on my Barney's teeth, the removal of both the lines were not.

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And this led to my attempts to try to explain to him about age, diet, these things, which I was not able to do.

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I didn't understand the words I was using, or the meanings.

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And actually, I'm not quite sure my definition is what I'm telling you to correct anyway.

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So while we were waiting for Barney's exam to be completed, I said to the leader,

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well, no, when I go back home, tell my friends, nobody's going to believe that, so I need to prove.

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So he gave me a book, that I was delighted about, that this is going to be my truth.

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So then I said to the leader, I was very happy, where are you from?

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So he showed me a stalemate, and explained the stalemate to me, just some degree.

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And because this is the important part now, the whole thing is the stalemate.

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I'm ready to go into that right to the slide.

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But he showed me the stalemate.

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he was still following us with Dave, following sleepwalking, they let him down the ramp.

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Then I came out, the leader was walking beside me, I'm telling the boys.

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And then the crew members came back with me, or they were about nine.

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It sounded like a disagreement going on, their voices were growing up and down.

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And I couldn't understand what he was saying.

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So apparently they were having an argument, and the leader went back,

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within quite a few moments, and then he came back and he took the book.

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And I was very anxious, but you're caring about your mate.

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He said, well, you're not going to leave that.

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They decided they were going to get the whole thing.

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So I said, well, you know, maybe I will, or maybe I won't, but I don't intend to get anything help from him.

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So they said, well, maybe you won't be, most of that, if we can share.

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So he took the book.

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And then I started walking down the ramp, and he was walking beside me,

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and he said, why don't you wait until you're free?

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You'll be safe here by the car.

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So I went back to the car, and I picked up the dog, and we were healing on the 20th seat.

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And by me get out, we stood there, we leaned, we used the car, and we saw this object take off.

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We saw this desk, it was on the ground, and it became surrounded by a swirling mass of some kind of orange substance.

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And the substance was swirling around it, just like a ball revolving.

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And it lifted up, dipped, and went right straight up, and we saw him.

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We got back in the car, we went back to 125, that's a good three.

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I turned around to Bobby, and I said, well, Bobby, you're leaving from yourself now?

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And he said, don't be ridiculous.

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And I thought, you should get in my village.

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And he's forgotten, there's no point in my remembering.

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So I started a step by step, forgetting my debt.

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So that is the sketch.

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I would like to show you some slides.

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Yes, let me get the screen set up.

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Can I ask one question while the screen is on?

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You say that they were talking, which would be...

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One was talking, believe us.

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We were talking in a hurry.

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I really can't say this.

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I understand.

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I understand.

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He was so human, I would say, with that kind of spontaneity,

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and two eyes, and nose, and mouth.

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I'll try to...

276
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Why do we have difficulty understanding about aesthetics, about quality, and things like that?

277
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Well, I don't know because of the difference between that and that.

278
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I have some serious...

279
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Let me color this in a little bit.

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Okay.

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This is by me.

282
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And you can't see it here, but he has a picture.

283
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He has a newspaper, which was...

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We thought we were nothing to do with it.

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Bill Taney's at the door.

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We thought we were nothing to tell anybody about our experience.

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And we did keep this belly warm quiet.

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This newspaper was reported in Boston and found out about it.

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It gets in pieces from different ones.

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So in 1965, it ran for five days in the front pages of the Boston newspaper.

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And that's the first issue, and that was the day of the publication.

292
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And this paper reported it had taken that picture of Barney.

293
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Okay, this is a scene from the White Mountains of New Hampshire

294
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because most of the people around here are pointed.

295
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But when you get out of New England, and that's that showing these, everybody's that's right.

296
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That is a beautiful shot.

297
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That's because Mount Washington is in the back there.

298
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Isn't there a general area in which you're setting a place?

299
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Yeah.

300
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In your abduction?

301
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There goes the Ninja Parnell.

302
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Mount Washington is the highest peak in the Mississippi River.

303
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And it's also clocked some of the highest winds in the world.

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This is another scene from some of the mountains.

305
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Okay, this is a scene from the flume.

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You can see the bridge there.

307
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Now that night, there's a parking area in front of that bridge off on one side.

308
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And Barney and I pulled in here that night and watched this object, and it was coming along towards us.

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This is a scene of Roots Rays from Franconia Knots.

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This is the road we were traveling that night.

311
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Beautiful trust there.

312
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Yep.

313
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There's another scene of Roots Rays.

314
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This is a section out of the notch where you can see that the road is narrower.

315
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Okay, this is the chairman mountain area.

316
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Barney and I were traveling here.

317
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And the U.F.O. is actually going right up on the top of chairman mountain.

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And we've got that now.

319
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The next scene is shows...

320
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This is the slide Barney took from the top of chairman mountain so that you can see right up on the top.

321
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And that's the road down there where they were traveling that I could see is the leeway.

322
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Which road is that for you traveling?

323
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That's Roots Rays.

324
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Oh yeah, okay.

325
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,000
Right about here is Roots Rays.

326
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Why that lake?

327
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Okay.

328
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So this is at the other end of the chairman mountain.

329
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Barney and I drove along the base of the mountain.

330
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And when we came along the base, this was the first place we saw the U.F.O. stop in the name.

331
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It was right there in front of the chairman mountain waiting for us to come around the bottom.

332
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And as we did and started more past, it started traveling along the five us again.

333
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This is the capture spot.

334
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Where I'm standing here is where the occupants were standing because only person...

335
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This is a recent picture.

336
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But that's not...

337
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This is not room 3 anymore, is it?

338
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No, this is off from 1.75.

339
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This was taken a couple of years ago, but in 1961 this was a real narrow road and it was direct.

340
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Something was been widened and tied, so...

341
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But that's where the occupants were standing.

342
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This is about the scene that we saw.

343
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I don't know if I'm blocking people's view or not.

344
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Oh, cool.

345
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Okay, I'll guess I will.

346
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:09,000
Okay, this is a painting that was done by a commercial artist and Dr. Simon's house.

347
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Barney with indignosis at the time.

348
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And Dr. Simon was there, Barney opened his eyes and gave suggestions and made corrections

349
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and attempted to get the picture as clear as possible.

350
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But that's about what we saw that night.

351
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Turning towards us.

352
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It's very close to what you saw.

353
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Right.

354
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What are they wearing?

355
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On their heads.

356
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Cat.

357
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Cat.

358
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Small cat with a visor.

359
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Olive?

360
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,000
Yeah.

361
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Oh.

362
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How many were there?

363
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11.

364
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Okay, this is the path, beginning of the path in the woods.

365
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The woman along this line is now dug a ditch and piled a dirt up,

366
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but it's different, it's keeping people out of there.

367
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That was there that night.

368
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That's the beginning of the path.

369
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And that's going into the woods, further with the path.

370
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,000
Was it in the right path?

371
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,000
Was it in the right path?

372
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:16,000
No, it wasn't too far, but it was a little walk.

373
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Because going in that night, you see,

374
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you can see the path is beginning to change.

375
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And notice the sand.

376
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,000
During the hypnosis, I couldn't figure it out because I kept thinking

377
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,000
that I was walking in beach sand,

378
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and I couldn't understand how I would have beach sand in the mountains.

379
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,000
And this is the beginning of the sand.

380
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It was very, very fine white, just like beach sand.

381
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,000
Did you notice any of your shoes when you got home?

382
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,000
No.

383
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:51,000
But now this is going into more to the top of the landing spot.

384
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,000
Eddie, can you show us?

385
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Yes.

386
00:22:55,000 --> 00:23:00,000
It took you several years at learning, I believe,

387
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,000
before you found what you felt was the right spot.

388
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,000
Now are you certain that the right spot?

389
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,000
Yes.

390
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,000
Okay.

391
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:13,000
During hypnosis, the right toward the end of the hypnosis,

392
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,000
Dr. Simon said to us,

393
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if the capture spot exists, you will find it.

394
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You will not look for it, you will just find it.

395
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So one day we were riding up in the light mountains with my parents.

396
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Actually, we were looking for a place for them to set up their camp for a couple of weeks.

397
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And so we turned onto this road and we came to the stop sign,

398
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and the moment we got there, about in the way we were,

399
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,000
and we drove up this road, jumped out of the car, ran in the woods,

400
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and there was a clearing.

401
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,000
There's the clearing.

402
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,000
That's sand in there too?

403
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,000
Yes.

404
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:57,000
And I've gone, actually John Arsvald took these pictures.

405
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:03,000
John and I have gone up there several different times and taken measurements and all.

406
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,000
And as you can see that leak out,

407
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,000
for my being able to remember where the craft was sitting on the ground,

408
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:18,000
we estimated, actually John took measurements on the opening, which was about 65 feet.

409
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:23,000
So we figured the craft must have been 55 to 60 feet across.

410
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:29,000
Now this is just another scene of that.

411
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:34,000
So going in that night, we went in one way, put things a long way in,

412
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,000
and then we came back a shot way.

413
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,000
And I think the next scene is the shot way.

414
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:45,000
No, that's an overall picture of the clearing itself.

415
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:50,000
Okay, this is the path where we came out, which was different from going in.

416
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,000
It was much more open.

417
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,000
This is where the leaner walked out of the way back.

418
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,000
And did you have to walk back down this road to your car?

419
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,000
Yeah.

420
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,000
How far is it?

421
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,000
Just a short distance.

422
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,000
Okay, this is where we start to watch them leave.

423
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:15,000
I mean this is where the car was and where we watched them leave here.

424
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,000
And that's the direction in which they left.

425
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:27,000
Actually, they went to the landing area over on my right here.

426
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:33,000
And when they left, they dipped in, and so that goes back in the direction of group three.

427
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,000
Were the red lights out on the side when they took off?

428
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,000
There was the red glow that went around, you said.

429
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,000
Yeah.

430
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,000
And were the red lights still out on the side and the little bends?

431
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,000
No.

432
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,000
Just the red glow.

433
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,000
They just went.

434
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,000
It was glowing and they were gone completely.

435
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,000
Okay, here's another drawing of one of the occupants.

436
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,000
This one was also done while Bani was hypnotized.

437
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,000
It might have been my fortune, you're right.

438
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,000
I mean, I'm sorry.

439
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,000
I'm not going to be in the world.

440
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,000
And this is very close to looking like what you saw.

441
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,000
Is it identical?

442
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,000
Very, very close.

443
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,000
Each one is different.

444
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,000
And individual differences.

445
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,000
But this is very close.

446
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,000
These were done by individual artists or all by the same artists?

447
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,000
Probably the same artists while Bani was in hypnosis.

448
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,000
Do they have a membrane in their mouth?

449
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,000
Yeah.

450
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,000
What's that?

451
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,000
I'm sorry.

452
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,000
A membrane in our tissue.

453
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,000
Oh.

454
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,000
It looks as though there was something.

455
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,000
Yeah, that's trying to demonstrate the membrane.

456
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,000
The eyelids.

457
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,000
The mouth?

458
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,000
That it will be.

459
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:38,000
Did they strike you as frightened looking teachers or nice looking creatures?

460
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,000
I'll show you a good looking one next.

461
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,000
Okay.

462
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,000
There's a good looking one.

463
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,000
Hey, hey, hey.

464
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,000
That's a good looking one.

465
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,000
I hate to see an ugly one.

466
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,000
Ready?

467
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,000
Do they have teeth?

468
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,000
I don't know.

469
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,000
They might have behind the membrane, but I don't know.

470
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,000
I didn't see a...

471
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,000
Do you see a membrane just the way it's been done?

472
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,000
Yeah, like behind the lips.

473
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,000
They're flooded when we talk.

474
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,000
Did the voice actually seem to come from the mouth?

475
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,000
Or was that something you're sure about?

476
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,000
I would say, I don't know.

477
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:16,000
I would assume it did, because that's the only kind of line, you know, the way I understand it.

478
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,000
You did see the mouth moving?

479
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,000
Yeah, on the interpreter.

480
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,000
The lips moving?

481
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,000
Yeah, the lead up.

482
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,000
Is it the last color?

483
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,000
Hmm?

484
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,000
Did you take color in the eyes?

485
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,000
Uh, dark, very dark.

486
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,000
Did you see anything in the pupil structure?

487
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,000
Like a vertical pupil or anything like that?

488
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,000
In the eyes?

489
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,000
I'm not sure, but I think I did.

490
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,000
Okay, this is the star map.

491
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,000
That has become so famous.

492
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:54,000
Now the lead effect, the two big bars in the corner, are traitors, so they trade back and forth all the time.

493
00:27:54,000 --> 00:28:02,000
The other lines are places they go frequently or occasionally, and the broken lines are expeditions.

494
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,000
So that's the, my map.

495
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:10,000
Now the next one.

496
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:20,000
Now this is one that, this is actually a slide taken of the model, one of the models that Margie fished in doing the research.

497
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,000
Where was Earth been?

498
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,000
Hmm?

499
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,000
Where was Earth been?

500
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,000
Where is Earth?

501
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,000
I'm doing on your answer.

502
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,000
Is that the sun or the Earth?

503
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,000
That's the sun.

504
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,000
The solar system.

505
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,000
Star and planets.

506
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,000
Now there are a lot of lines going to that particular order, just a couple of...

507
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:46,000
Now the lines, this is the kind of model that Margie fished in doing her research.

508
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:51,000
But let's show one more slide and then we'll turn it over to Margie.

509
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,000
Okay.

510
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,000
If anybody, I don't know if anybody's interested in this drawing.

511
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,000
One more slide.

512
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,000
Oh yes, we have people.

513
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,000
We'll show this because this is good advertising.

514
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,000
The picture of the UFO in the corner, which is down there.

515
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,000
That's the shape of the one we saw that night.

516
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,000
Can you lift that up?

517
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,000
Telling fact we have a couple here that we can pass it around.

518
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,000
Because that's yellow underneath with a haze.

519
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:23,000
But that's a real picture taken by a boy down in Pennsylvania and you've probably seen it published quite often.

520
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,000
He was out photographing the moon a real photo came along.

521
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,000
So that's his picture.

522
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,000
So that is a real picture.

523
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,000
That's a real picture.

524
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,000
So that's the end of the slide slide.

525
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,000
Margie, can I ask you a question about the book?

526
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,000
You said they gave you a book.

527
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,000
Did you open the book?

528
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,000
I opened the book.

529
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,000
Was it a hard-covered book?

530
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,000
Mm-hmm.

531
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,000
Did it have... was it printed with the black and...

532
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,000
printing on white paper or what?

533
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,000
It was similar to a book of ours but it was still different.

534
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,000
And it was symbols that went... there were five columns.

535
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,000
You write up and down.

536
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,000
And symbols like I've never seen.

537
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,000
Was the pages numbered or do you know what they looked like?

538
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,000
I wouldn't know what their numbers were.

539
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,000
He didn't indicate whether they read from front to back.

540
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,000
There were only five characters?

541
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,000
Five columns.

542
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,000
More than one character in each column.

543
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,000
Oh yeah, there were.

544
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,000
Each thing was different.

545
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,000
Printed on both sides of the page so we opened it up and you saw both pages.

546
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,000
Yeah.

547
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,000
Both sides.

548
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:28,000
And the five columns were five on this page and five on this so ten all together.

549
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:33,000
It was a book though with similar bindings to what we would have with hard-covered...

550
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,000
It was similar to a book that we would have but it was not paper.

551
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,000
It was something similar to material.

552
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:46,000
The pages were stiff and they were very very thin and very very smooth.

553
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,000
Mm-hmm.

554
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,000
Can you say something more about the star map?

555
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,000
All right, yeah.

556
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,000
This is a 3D map.

557
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,000
All right, let me go into...

558
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:58,000
I don't know, here's the map over here as you can see it but I'll go into this.

559
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:06,000
Now, when I saw this on Boyd the Craft it was sort of a reflective hologram.

560
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:12,000
It was like, even though it was flat it was almost like looking out a window and seeing this.

561
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:21,000
Now, Modry Fish was reading the book and she wondered if by any chance this map could actually exist.

562
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,000
So she started doing research.

563
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,000
She started out with three assumptions.

564
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:35,000
She started out with the assumption that their home base had to be on the map, that we, our solar system would have to be on the map

565
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:40,000
and that the places they went would have to be logical, would actually have common sense

566
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:48,000
and have to be based on the assumption that they were humans, therefore they were looking for humans.

567
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:56,000
They would be looking for life like they know it, which would be possibly us, a carbon-based form of life.

568
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:03,000
So, Modry started out building models, strings and beads, and different colored beads

569
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,000
and started building out the area.

570
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:13,000
Well, in the area that I saw in this map there's about one thousand stars.

571
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,000
So Modry had to start the process of elimination.

572
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,000
Now, I don't, any of you are standing here?

573
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:28,000
Well, David, I did work with a brother in Longwood and then we discussed and did this problem, right?

574
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,000
Yeah, we were all looking for the choice.

575
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,000
So Modry and we had to start...

576
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,000
That's a big question.

577
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:40,000
Modry had to start an elimination of stars, trying to find stars.

578
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:47,000
And when I say stars, I mean suns, suns that possibly have planets revolving around them,

579
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,000
that would be the kind that could support a bear's life.

580
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:58,000
So she used the Blesa catalogue of nearby stars, which is the same one that all the governments used

581
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:04,000
in building her own spacecraft, which is one that's recognized as the best.

582
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,000
So she had a thousand stars and she had to start eliminating them.

583
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:16,000
So she got rid of all the white blocks and all the giant and super giants, which was nine percent of one thousand.

584
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:24,000
Then she got rid of all the gift systems and had multiple suns, double suns, or three suns.

585
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,000
And it's believed that they have different...

586
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,000
This would have a... the orbit would not be right.

587
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,000
The planets would be bouncing back and forth and like them and out of them.

588
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,000
They'd be freezing and flying from each and every star.

589
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,000
Those were undiscarded.

590
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,000
Then she discarded all the... what do you call it?

591
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:53,000
A-O-F4 stars, which is the one that has a very hot,

592
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,000
rapidly burning head.

593
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,000
It would be too hot to be developed into light.

594
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:03,000
And also, it would not last... it would not exist long enough for light to develop.

595
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,000
She got rid of those.

596
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:10,000
She got rid of all the K and M stars, which we believe has planets,

597
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:16,000
but also have sunflowers that give off the beautiful thousands of radiation.

598
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,000
And people light out what?

599
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:28,000
Obviously, because when Madri got through, she had F8s, all the G stars, and the protons, the G2s,

600
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:34,000
and K1 stars, which meant that she had what they call main sequence stars,

601
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:41,000
which have, by our research, the proper temperature, the proper mass,

602
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:47,000
the proper brightness of the sun, and the proper lifespan for light to develop.

603
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,000
Also, she had 46 stars out of 1,000.

604
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:55,000
And out of those 46 stars, I have 60.

605
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,000
And that, you know, that's about a million or one shot.

606
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,000
Some of you just couldn't do a whole...

607
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:10,000
Now, in doing this, for entirely beta-1 and beta-2 reticulating the home dice,

608
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:18,000
what we know about them is that their sun, the sun of these two was identical to our sun,

609
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,000
based on...

610
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,000
By the way, this is astronomy magazine, you haven't seen it.

611
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:31,000
This is astronomy magazine, terrorist thickets of William Hardical, but it manages research.

612
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:37,000
And at the time, this was just a small select magazine that only is drawn in the spot,

613
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,000
and it made it with management publication.

614
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:45,000
So what they did is they put out this special issue with deals just for the research in my lab.

615
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,000
They called the Newstands now.

616
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,000
But...

617
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000
What must the issue with that kind of thing?

618
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,000
It came out in January, but it's a special one that people will be able to get.

619
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,000
And here's the age...

620
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,000
This is the part that I like.

621
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,000
This is where I get all my theories from.

622
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,000
The ageing nearby stars, which is over here,

623
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:11,000
and which they break it down into the disk stars and the halo stars,

624
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,000
and the population one, the older population two, and all.

625
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:24,000
And I'm thinking that the amount of a star, the amount of metal that's found in the star,

626
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,000
they study, will have a relationship with their age.

627
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:35,000
So based on that, we know that we, because we know this from our research in the moon,

628
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:40,000
we've been around about 4.6 billion years.

629
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,000
Zeta 1 and Zeta 2 have been around 6 to 8 billion.

630
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:49,000
And some of these here that have the solid lines have been 10 billion.

631
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,000
The broken lines are the expeditions that have only been there once.

632
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,000
And those are all stars that are younger than we are.

633
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:04,000
So my thinking is that what Zeta 1 and Zeta 2 are doing is really going out

634
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,000
and looking over all the nearby stars around them

635
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:15,000
and sort of studying them as to the stages of development of life.

636
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:21,000
Because they seem to be going from places 1 billion, 4 billion, 6 billion, 10 billion.

637
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:27,000
And so they're starting taking an overall look at life around them.

638
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,000
Excuse me, but how far away is that plant from ours?

639
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,000
Zeta 1, Zeta 2.

640
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,000
37 and a half like this.

641
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:41,000
And actually, they don't want to say the two are close together.

642
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,000
I think something like 350 billion miles.

643
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:51,000
But they can look out and actually see each other, both daytime and nighttime.

644
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,000
And the planets would look like huge.

645
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,000
They can see planets.

646
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,000
They would be like this.

647
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,000
They can see planets around Zeta 1.

648
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,000
You can see planets around Zeta 2.

649
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,000
You know there are planets out there.

650
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,000
So they'd be able to really look at each other.

651
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:15,000
And this would probably motivate them to get out into space as soon as possible

652
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,000
to go hopping around to see who they are.

653
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:24,000
But Dr. Walter Mitchell, head of his astronomy class,

654
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,000
set up a computer with all the stars and all.

655
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:35,000
He set up so that the computer was at Zeta 1 and Zeta 2 looking back towards us.

656
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:42,000
And when they did this, the computer map was just like the one that Margie looked at.

657
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,000
By the way, Margie's no longer teaching school.

658
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:52,000
She's doing, she's got an outreach tendency working on their research.

659
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,000
The only thing I have left to show you is Zeta Junior.

660
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:08,000
This is the model done by an artist who had just based on 200 reports by witnesses.

661
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,000
The description.

662
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,000
The flat nose that didn't slip from the mouth, the wide eyes.

663
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,000
See the profile of how flat it is?

664
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000
Maybe hold it open more and back with the light there.

665
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,000
Yeah, stand, that's it.

666
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,000
And hold it down there with the lights so people can see that's it.

667
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,000
That's good.

668
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,000
How would they, can they hold it?

669
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,000
What they, they cut them out.

670
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,000
Really?

671
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,000
Yes.

672
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,000
I don't know if they eat.

673
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,000
We'll find out more when they open up their noses at Walter.

674
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,000
I was wondering.

675
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,000
He said that your watch is for stock.

676
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,000
And I'd like to know if those were watches for reading at the same time and the thought would indicate.

677
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,000
We don't put any significance on it.

678
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,000
Did you notice what time they read?

679
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,000
No.

680
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,000
Your watch stopped until you've priced out and you had to change the time.

681
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,000
You don't know the time.

682
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,000
Did you have a clock in your car?

683
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,000
Or did you have a phone call?

684
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,000
Does anybody have a clock in their car that works?

685
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,000
Yes.

686
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,000
Yes.

687
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,000
I don't know what time the UFO left.

688
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,000
Why would you notice it?

689
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,000
Because people there for us, they've spitted up on radar.

690
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,000
Ah, because you hate that.

691
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:18,000
Yeah, because we've seen, you know, about there, they clocked it at 2.14am.

692
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,000
And that was recently released.

693
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,000
Well, 19th January.

694
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,000
I like that.

695
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,000
Are you still asking me?

696
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,000
Sorry, what was the time?

697
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,000
2.14am.

698
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:35,000
Would you agree that the Air Force Blue Book and the economy reports are due,

699
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:40,000
should I say do you agree as to the percent of settings being unexplained or being unidentified,

700
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,000
which these two reports give?

701
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:50,000
In 40 standard treatment, I think that 19.7%, in fact, you stated this on the show that you were on.

702
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,000
So you were there and said it before.

703
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,000
I'm happy to make that.

704
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,000
Let's not talk tonight.

705
00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:02,000
19.7, I explained from a special project Blue Book and from economy report, 30% I explained,

706
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,000
according to standard treatment.

707
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,000
Do you think this figure is a fairly accurate, in your opinion?

708
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,000
Do you think, well, how would you answer that?

709
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:16,000
Actually, there's been very few explanations given that I agree with.

710
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,000
So I don't think that, really, what a sight I have to do,

711
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:26,000
I didn't have the equipment to do the math and the training at all to do explanations.

712
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,000
I think it's great to have the whole area.

713
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,000
You think this is an accurate figure.

714
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,000
This reports have to mean figure about 25% unexplained settings.

715
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,000
Would you say that there are approximately 25?

716
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,000
I would say more than that.

717
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,000
Well, we can put it out if you...

718
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,000
What I'm trying to say is, of all the settings that have been reported,

719
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:50,000
they find out that they could only explain 75% of them, 25% on the mean figure.

720
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,000
They couldn't explain.

721
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,000
Well, since they don't accept you up, I would say, the general.

722
00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:00,000
I think a lot of their explanations, they'd like to start with me.

723
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:05,000
They started out, it was the planet you put up who followed us.

724
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,000
No, we didn't know about that.

725
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,000
Then it was an alien version.

726
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,000
And then finally it became an impetition data.

727
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,000
I've got a question.

728
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:28,000
You mentioned that the solid lines represent the main roots of things I take.

729
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:34,000
This here, these lines here represent where they go occasionally, I'll say, from my...

730
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:40,000
So did you get the impression they had been to our sun and to our earth several times?

731
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,000
Yeah, they were around a lot of times.

732
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:50,000
Okay, I don't know how many, you know, what a truth would be, how long, you know, would it trip the 100 years?

733
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,000
I think what he's saying is, according to the map and its symbols,

734
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:59,000
I see that the sun there isn't a broken line, whereas the broken line indicated just...

735
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,000
One trip.

736
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,000
One trip. Expedition.

737
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,000
Yeah, so apparently they've been here.

738
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,000
On more than one occasion.

739
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,000
Right.

740
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,000
Okay.

741
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,000
Occasionally or frequently.

742
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:16,000
You said something about the spots on the car that had some kind of memory problems.

743
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,000
Do you say anything more about that?

744
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:26,000
There were highly polished spots, besides the silver dollar, and they were sort of scattered around in places that they spent.

745
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,000
On the truck?

746
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,000
On the truck.

747
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,000
And then, yeah, and then you put a compass.

748
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,000
The compass just went through, and it's what you've been looking for.

749
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,000
This was a 57s Valer, Chevy.

750
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:42,000
What color was the truck blue? A navy blue?

751
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,000
No, a white blue.

752
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:49,000
White blue, sort of a baby blue, such as her sweater, or a blouse?

753
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,000
Or was it a dark dark blue?

754
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,000
I'm trying to get a little darker than that.

755
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,000
Okay, I was just wondering what the color was, or what the pigmentosis was.

756
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:08,000
I noticed that sometimes, for instance, I don't know if you've ever noticed anybody here, but black and navy blue cars, when they get faded, they sort of pigmentosis the effect occurs in the discoloration, if you would.

757
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,000
And this is the...

758
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,000
In regards to the spot, could I just...

759
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,000
Sure, I'm sure.

760
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,000
...say if it kept spinning, I mean, just continuously?

761
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,000
Yeah, just bouncing, yeah.

762
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,000
Without, you know, because you put it like...

763
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,000
You put it anywhere else on the car?

764
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,000
It would actually like a regular compass.

765
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,000
Yeah, good point for me.

766
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:40,000
You know, you hold it up over the cat, good point for me not, but if you put it with a spot, it would just spin, spin, spin.

767
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,000
Um, Betty, you said that...

768
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,000
I was never running around with a compass like a paper.